Re: [lojban-beginners] Assigning ko'a

[Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>]

On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 3:11 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
> .ua perfect time to clear up another question I've often had.  Jorge, can
> you clear up some terminology for me?  What is a:
> term

Any of the following:

sumti
tag+sumti
FA+sumti
tag [KU]
FA [KU]
NA KU

"sumti" includes connected sumti.

> phrase

I think this is only used in "relative-phrase", which is the construct
"GOI term [GEhU]"

> clause

I think this is only used in "relative-clause", which is the construct
"NOI sentence [KUhO]"


> If you could give an example of each in a piece of lojban text.  i.e.  An
> example of the most that can be put into a "term"; or rather, what "starts",
> "continues", and "ends" a term/phrase/clause?

There are different kinds of terms. Examples are: "mi", "lo mlatu
[ku]", "fi do", "lo nu mi klama lo zarci [ku] ca lo purlamdei [ku]
[vau] [kei] [ku]", "ca ku", "na ku", etc.

A relative-phrase is "GOI term [GEhU]".

A relative-clause is "NOI sentence [KUhO]".

> That would be incredibly helpful to me.  It took me the longest time to
> understand the difference between {pe} and {poi} primarily because I didn't
> have a clear understanding of the difference between "phrase" and "clause".
>  Are they a sumti?  A sumti chain (<sumti> join <sumti> jo'u <sumti>)?

Those are examples of terms, yes. They are the kind of thing that can
go inside a "relative-phrase".

> A bridi?  A bridi + multiple tails? etc...

Those are sentences. The kind of thing that can go inside a "relative-clause".

Notice in particular that "mi klama le zarci [ku] [vau]" is a bridi,
but "lo du'u mi klama le zarci [ku] [vau] [kei] [ku]" is a sumti.
That's what may be confusing you.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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