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Re: [lojban-beginners] Day standard

I was under the impression that, pre-xorlo, {lo ctufau} must be a _real_ lesson, but post-xorlo it's something to do with a lesson, determined from context.

Since a standard is not a lesson, (how would I say that in lojban?) one might have had to say something like {lo ctufau manri}; otherwise, I feel like some sort of implicit raising is occurring. 

As for pointing to a dog:  you're not requiring that something which is really a dog fill the selbri place of the bridi, so {ta barda} is just fine.

On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 7:56 AM, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 6:45 PM, Alex Rozenshteyn <rpglover64@gmail.com> wrote:
> It seems to me that {bavlamdei be fi lo ctufau} is only permissible due to
> xorlo.  Is there a more precise way to fill in the "by standard x"?
>
 I don't know on what basis you say that. I think perhaps you are
thinking about it as a natlang speaker.  Xorlo or not, when you put
something in the x3 of bavlamdei, for example, it is _by definition_
some type of manri. "lo ctufau" simply specifies what type of manri it
is -- it's a ctufau manri.  I could explicitly _say_ "lo ctufau
manri", but it's not necessary, and more than it's necessary, when
pointing to a dog, to say "ta barda gerku" instead of "ta barda".
Doesn't make it any less of a dog, you're just calling out the salient
feature you want to express, that it's big.  Describing a te bavlamdei
as a ctufau doesn't make it any less of a te bavlamdei.

 I'm probably not expressing myself reall well, but I hope my point
is getting across.  (Perhaps it would make more sense if I used a more
analgous sentence, like "mi cadzu lo clani"?)

               --gejyspa

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