Re: [lojban-beginners] lo preti be lo fu'ivla

[Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu>]

On Wednesday 20 October 2010 13:33:01 Geoffrey Stewart wrote:
> 2 more questions:
>
> I have seen in places the type IV fu'ivla proposed to be used in a rafsi
> form. How does that work?

There are two methods in use, and they can be mixed. Jorge's method works for 
all fu'ivla; mine works for an infinite class, but not all, and often 
produces shorter lujvo.

Jorge's method uses "'y" after the last vowel in the fu'ivla and before the 
next rafsi: anmonia + djacu -> anmonia'yjau. If the fu'ivla begins with a 
vowel and you want to put a rafsi before it, add "'": mikri + enri = 
miky'enri.

My method drops the final vowel, as when forming the four-letter rafsi of a 
gismu, and inserts "y" when joining a fu'ivla to a following rafsi. To join a 
preceding rafsi to a fu'ivla, make sure the rafsi ends in a consonant, and 
insert "y" regardless of phonotactics. Fu'ivla that end in more than one 
vowel (including with apostrophes) cannot be joined to a following rafsi this 
way, and some fu'ivla (mu'u zo skalduna fa'u zo malgaci) cannot appear at the 
beginning of a lujvo because they turn into lo valsrslinku'i fa'u gimjvo.

> Is there a list of fu'ivla anywhere?

http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/listing.html?type=fu%27ivla
There are some fu'ivla that aren't listed; for instance, five months of the 
Roman calendar (martio, prilio, madjio djunio, djulio) are missing because of 
a bug in jbofi'e.

Pierre
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