Re: [lojban-beginners] How to say something beyond my level

[Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>]

On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Alex Rozenshteyn <rpglover64@gmail.com> wrote:
> And now to see if I understand:
>
> ca - present; when used like this, it means that the bridi is occurring at
> the same time as the sumti to the right of ca
> lo - convert a selbri to a sumti
> nu - event abstractor - nu .. kei is the event
> ca'o - continuative; the selbri had already started and hadn't yet finished
> la meris - Mary
> katna - x1 cuts x2 ... ; can be used to mean chop
> lo mudri - wood [of some tree species]
>
> the entire {ca lo nu ... kei} becomes a time tag
> la djan - John
> co'a - marks krixa as starting
> krixa - x1 screams/emits sound x2
>
> did I get most of that?

All correct.

> also, it seems like it would be invalid to use krixa to scream information.
> {mi krixa zoi .gy. Get out of bed! .gy.} is clearly wrong,

I wouldn't say "clearly wrong". It's just that all that matters is
that "zoi .gy. Get out of bed! .gy." is a sound. In any case, from the
point of view of a Lojban speaker, "zoi .gy. Get out of bed! .gy." is
indeed nothing but a sound (or a string of letters). Meaningwise it is
no different from "zoi .gy. mumble mumble .gy.", unless they happen to
understand English.

> but what about
> {mi krixa se du'u zoi .gy. Get out of bed! .gy.}?  Also wrong, right?

That has a couple of grammatical problems. After "se du'u" you need a
full sentence, and "zoi .gy. Get out of bed! .gy." is only a sumti.
Also you would normally use "lo se du'u ...", since "se du'u .... kei"
is a selbri.

"la'e zoi .gy. Get out of bed! .gy." is the meaning of "zoi .gy. Get
out of bed! .gy.", (which will only be meaningful to English speakers,
of course, not necessarily to any Lojban speaker), but as you point
out you don't really krixa a meaning.

You could say something like "mi ki'asku lu ko cliva lo ckana li'u".

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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