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Re: [lojban-beginners] newbie question on bridi construction





On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 9:17 PM, la deivyd. <david.a.imel@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi All,

I'm just starting to learn lojban -- starting with smart.fm gismu
flash cards and reading through the (online html version of) CLL.  I
came to something in CLL that makes me think I'm fundamentally
misunderstanding how the grammar works, so I thought I'd de-lurk and
ask.  (Is there a gismu for "x1 lurks on list x2"?  Just kidding.)

No, but there's probably a lujvo for it. (And if there isn't, someone's bound to invent one now.)
 
Example 6.1 (http://www.lojban.org/publications/reference_grammar/
chapter7.html#e6d1
):

 la .alis. sipna le ri kumfa

says the translation is "Alice sleeps in her room."

If I understand how the bridi work, I should first look at sipna
(because kumfa has been made into a sumti by adding { le ri } in front
of it, right?) as a "function":  sipna(x1), where x1 is
{ la .alis. }.  But the sentence, and the translation, seem to imply
that this is sipna(x1,x2), with x2 being { le ri kumfa }.  When I look
up sipna in my gismu references, it only seems to have an x1.  Is this
example a mistake?  Or are my gismu lists outdated and there is an x2
for sipna?  Or can you add sumti beyond the specified number of
arguments to a gismu?

Best to all,

--David.  { la deivyd. }

You're right. The example's wrong. {sipna} has no spot for location. The example should have been {la.alis. sipna ne'i lo ri kumfa}, or better, {la.alis. [cu] sipna fi'o nenri lo kumfa pe ri [ku] [fe'u]}, which also shows the omitted bits in [].

kumfa is a sumti because of the {le}, the {ri} in {le ri kumfa} identifies {le kumfa} as being associated with {ri}. {ri} means "the most recent previous sumti", which in this case is {la.alis.}.

--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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