Re: [lojban-beginners] Argument repetition for emphasis?

[Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com>]

Actually, I wonder if ju'e is vague enough that pretty much anything which relates the two objects would suffice.  For example, I have a feeling that {ko'a ju'e ko'e} could legitimately describe {ko'a mensi ko'e}.  So, for example {la .rik. fa la djein. se cinri lo smani} -> {la .rik. ju'e la .djein. se cinri lo smani} -> {la .rik. .e la .djein. se cinri lo smani} OR -> {la .rik. joi la .djein. se cinri lo smani} OR (and I have no idea what this means semantically) {lo su'u la .djein. mensi la .rik. kei se cinri lo smani}.

I have no idea what that would mean, but I do know that {ju'e} is completely vague in the same sense that {lo} is.  To say that {lo broda ju'e lo brode} is a mass, set, sequence, etc... would be wrong.  To say that it's a logical connection of any kind would also be wrong.  So, I guess it's just a 100% context driven connective.

In that sense, I think either noi or poi would work because indeed, any piece of text which relates ko'a and ko'e could potentially describe ko'a ju'e ko'e.  Or maybe I'm just being silly and ju'e is just a shortcut for "one of the other obvious connectives but I'll never tell which one... </coy>"

On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 7:03 PM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:

I'd say that {lo broda be fa lo brode} == {lo broda NOI ke'a brode} is probably fair; an interesting question is which NOI it is, though. I'd be inclined to say it's actually poi, not noi.

Of course, this can change a bit when we're already talking about {lo brode}, I think, though I have a hunch that THAT thought actually is just me being malglico.

mu'o mi'e .latros.

On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 6:36 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:

That makes sense, but if I saw "lo fatci be fa lo du'u mi nakni" I would read that as something like "lo du'u mi nakni kei noi ke'a fatci".  As in "I am male (which is a [true ]fact)".

But that might just be me being malglico.

On Jan 2, 2011 2:37 PM, "Michael Turniansky" <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:

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