Re: [lojban-beginners] preti: sequential naming for long-term reference

On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 10:59 PM, Oren <get.oren@gmail.com> wrote:

oooh, I like the subscript idea. is there any reason to dismiss any of the following?

{lo palkuxipav }
{le palkuxipav }
{la palkuxipav }

...also, I assume the appended "v" is there for a reason... does that change depending on the digit?

On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 22:48, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:

You COULD say "la papalku" which would mean "the thing named 'One
Pant'" (although why that works grammatical, I have NO idea. I
thought non-cmevla following "la" had to be selbri. jbofi'e however,
likes it). Saying "la palkupa", however, means the "the thing named
{whatever the fu'ivla palkupa means}", which is really not what you
want. (personally, if you are going with labelling with names, I'd go
with with "la palkuxipav", but whatever. Don't understand why "lo
pamoi palku" is so objectionable to you...)
--gejyspa

On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 10:33 PM, Oren <get.oren@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hm. Well is there anything grammatically wrong with { le pa palku }? How
> would you interpret it? Is there any other use for this construct?
> { le pa moi palku } just seems a bit long.
> I guess to be explicitly naming, I could say:
> { la papalku } "(My pants named) one-pant"
> { la palkupa } "(My pants named) pant-one"
> On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 21:56, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> No,. no no. That doesn't work. "le pa pluta" ONLY means "the one
>> route" "le (or lo) pamoi pluta" is the correct one to use. Don't
>> forget that moi contains within it an x2 that says exactly what set it
>> is the nth of (e.g."the stuff I'm writing down") and an x3 that says
>> how you are ordering it (e.g. "chronologically by the time/date I'm
>> writing them down) You can leave them out of course, if context makes
>> it obvious, which in this case it certainly does.
>> --gejsypa
>>
>> _
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 9:36 PM, Oren <get.oren@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > da'i let's suppose I was writing a diary in lojban, and kept track of
>> > some
>> > very mundane things, like what route I took to the store, or what pants
>> > I
>> > was wearing. Some of these may have a chronological sequence that I
>> > might
>> > refer to and internally keep track of my routes/pants. In english, I
>> > might
>> > say I took "the first route" to the store, while wearing my "third" pair
>> > of
>> > pants.
>> > da'isa'u let's say I don't want to use { pa mai } for "first" because
>> > it
>> > may not actually be first chronologically, but only the first that i
>> > mention
>> > in my diary. Would it make sense to just say
>> > { le pa pluta } "That first route; Route 1"
>> > { le re pluta } "That second/other route; Route 2"
>> > { le pa palku } "Those first pants; Pants 1"
>> > { le re palku } "Those second/other pants; Pants 2"
>> > ... which la/le/lo/li should I use for this? Is there a better way?
>> >
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