Re: [lojban-beginners] preti: sequential naming for long-term reference

oooh, I like the subscript idea. is there any reason to dismiss any of the following?

{lo palkuxipav }

{le palkuxipav }
{la palkuxipav }

...also, I assume the appended "v" is there for a reason... does that change depending on the digit?

On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 22:48, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:

�You COULD say "la papalku" which would mean "the thing named 'One
Pant'" (although why that works grammatical, I have NO idea. �I
thought non-cmevla following "la" had to be selbri. �jbofi'e however,
likes it). �Saying "la palkupa", however, means the "the thing named
{whatever the fu'ivla palkupa means}", which is really not what you
want. �(personally, if you are going with labelling with names, I'd go
with with "la palkuxipav", but whatever. �Don't understand why "lo
pamoi palku" is so objectionable to you...)
� � � � � � � � � � � � �--gejyspa

On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 10:33 PM, Oren <get.oren@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hm. Well is there anything grammatically wrong with �{ le pa palku }? How
> would you interpret it? Is there any other use for this construct?
> �{ le pa moi palku } just seems a bit long.
> I guess to be explicitly naming, I could say:
> { la papalku } "(My pants named) one-pant"
> { la palkupa } "(My pants named) pant-one"
> On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 21:56, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> �No,. no no. �That doesn't work. �"le pa pluta" ONLY means "the one
>> route" �"le (or lo) �pamoi pluta" is the correct one to use. �Don't
>> forget that moi contains within it an x2 that says exactly what set it
>> is the nth of (e.g."the stuff I'm writing down") and an x3 that says
>> how you are ordering it (e.g. "chronologically by the time/date I'm
>> writing them down) �You can leave them out of course, if context makes
>> it obvious, which in this case it certainly does.
>> � � � � � --gejsypa
>>
>> _
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 9:36 PM, Oren <get.oren@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > da'i let's suppose I was writing a diary in lojban, and kept track of
>> > some
>> > very mundane things, like what route I took to the store, or what pants
>> > I
>> > was wearing. Some of these may have a chronological sequence that I
>> > might
>> > refer to and internally keep track of my routes/pants. In english, I
>> > might
>> > say I took "the first route" to the store, while wearing my "third" pair
>> > of
>> > pants.
>> > da'isa'u let's say I don't want to use �{ pa mai } for "first" because
>> > it
>> > may not actually be first chronologically, but only the first that i
>> > mention
>> > in my diary. Would it make sense to just say
>> > { le pa pluta }�"That first route; Route 1"
>> > { le re pluta }�"That second/other route; Route 2"
>> > { le pa palku }�"Those first pants; Pants 1"
>> > { le re palku }�"Those second/other pants; Pants 2"
>> > ... which la/le/lo/li should I use for this? Is there a better way?
>> >
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