On Tue, May 06, 2003 at 01:53:22AM +0800, tk1@despammed.com wrote: > Hello, > > > The word formation rules are about the only *syntactic* rules Lojban > > has. > > http://www.lojban.org/publications/reference_grammar/chapter4.html > > Thanks. > > I am currently flipping through the reference grammar, and I just got > another question: in Chapter 6 this example is given: > > 13.3) ro da poi prenu cu prami pa de poi finpe > All somethings-1 which-are persons love one something-2 > which-is a-fish. > All persons love a fish (each his/her own). > > (This is not the same as "All persons love a certain fish"; the > difference between the two is one of quantifier order.) > > If I change the above Lojban sentence to {pa de poi finpe cu se prami ro da > poi prenu}, will the new sentence take on the first or second meaning? In > other words, can the use of the word {se} potentially _change_ the meaning > of a sentence, in addition to switching sumti order? It takes the "There is a certain fish that all persons love" meaning. The change in meaning is because you changed the order of the terms. You don't need se to do that. For example {fe pa finpe cu prami fa ro prenu}. -- Jordan DeLong - fracture@allusion.net lu zo'o loi censa bakni cu terzba le zaltapla poi xagrai li'u sei la mark. tuen. cusku
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