[lojban-beginners] Re: ZAhO sumti tcita

[Jorge "Llambías" <jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar>]

la alekseir cusku di'e

> If I understand correctly, all ZAhO cmavo are grammatically the same,
> and can serve as sumti tcita and forethought connectives. So, if we
> have, say, two sentences:
> 
> .i mi citka .ibo mi sipna
> 
> then (leaving alone all the stuff concerning veridical|/non veridical claims)
> .i mi citka ba'o lenu mi sipna
> will mean something like "I eat after the-event-of-my-sleeping is over".
> similarly,
> .i mi citka pu'o lenu mi sipna 
> means "I eat before the event-of-my-sleeping starts"

Notice that you also get those meanings from:

  i mi citka ca le nu mi ba'o sipna
  I eat when my sleeping is over.

  i mi citka ca le nu mi pu'o sipna
  I eat when my sleeping is yet to start.

{ba'o} and {pu'o} are odd tags, because as sumti tcita they have a quite
different effect on the selbri than as selbri tcita, whereas all other
tags have the same effect: {bai broda} is {broda bai zo'e}, {pu broda}
is {broda pu zo'e}, etc.
 
> But the thing I can't figure out is the meaning of the following:
> 
> .i mi citka co'u lenu mi sipna
> .i mi citka za'o lenu mi sipna
> .i mi citka di'a lenu mi sipna
> .i mi citka de'a lenu mi sipna

If they behaved like ba'o and pu'o, those would mean something like:

.i mi citka ca lenu mi co'u sipna
.i mi citka ca lenu mi za'o sipna
.i mi citka ca lenu mi di'a sipna
.i mi citka ca lenu mi de'a sipna

That is not however the meaning that they are usually given. Most of
them are usually trated like normal tags, so for example {mi citka
co'u le nu mi sipna} means not that I eat when I finish sleeping, as
above, but that I eat until I sleep i.e. the end of my eating is given 
by my sleeping.

This is a controversial topic, not yet decided by the bpfk. You can read
more about it here: http://www.lojban.org/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=81

mu'o mi'e xorxes



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