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[lojban-beginners] Re: Story time
On Fri, Mar 12, 2004 at 03:31:49PM -0800, Jorge Llamb?as wrote:
>
> --- Nora LeChevalier <noras@cox.net> wrote:
> > At 04:39 AM 3/12/04 -0800, la xorxes wrote:
> >
> > >Under the usual interpretation, the two negatives will cancel and
> > >{noda viska node} would be equivalent to {roda viska su'ode},
> > >"everybody saw something".
> > >
> > >To say that nobody saw anything you'd have to say {noda viska
> > >su'ode} or {roda viska node}.
> >
> > No, "noda" means "there are zero things (da) such that", so "noda
> > viska node" means "there are zero x's and zero y's such that x sees
> > y". I thought it was a nifty way of saying "No one (yeah, sure) saw
> > anything (yeah, right)".
>
> The standard reading is:
>
> There are zero x's such that there are zero y's such that x sees y.
>
> In other words, no x is such that it sees no y's.
>
> In other words, every x sees at least one y.
I'm pretty sure xorxes is right on this, although I'm not up for writing
a proof at the moment.
-Robin
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