[lojban-beginners] Re: tanru

[M C <twilightsense@gmail.com>]

la meris. melbi se tavla la tam.   ->   Meris listens beautifull speach of
Tom.
                                          or    Meris is beautiful listener
of Tom.
(Which translation is correct?)

--> "Mary is beautifully spoken to by Tom."

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la tam. tavla melbi la meris.       ->   Tom is beautiful to Meri as
speaker.
(Is the translation correct?)

--> Yes. Or, "Tom is speakingly[?] beautiful to Mary."

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la tam. se tavla melbi la meris.   ->   Toma is beatiful to Meri as
listener.
("se" - corresponds to "tavla" or "tavla melbi"?)

--> "Tom is beautiful to Mary as someone who is spoken to." here, {se}
corresponds to {tavla}. {se tavla} does not mean listening, just being
spoken to. afaik, you can speak to someone whether or not they are
listening to you. :-)

Marc



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On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:27:23 +0100, Roman Gorbunov <rodmigor@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> few days ago I discovered the lojban. I am delighted with it. And want to
> study it. Can you pleas help me with the following part of grammer.
> 
> la tam. melbi tavla la meris.       ->   Tom beautifully speak with Meris.
> (It seems to me that with this sentence I have no problem.)
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> la meris. melbi se tavla la tam.   ->   Meris listens beautifull speach of
> Tom.
>                                           or    Meris is beautiful listener
> of Tom.
> (Which translation is correct?)
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> la tam. melbi la meris.              ->   Tom is beautiful to Meri.
> (Here I have also no problem.)
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> la tam. tavla melbi la meris.       ->   Tom is beautiful to Meri as
> speaker.
> (Is the translation correct?)
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> la tam. se tavla melbi la meris.   ->   Toma is beatiful to Meri as
> listener.
> ("se" - corresponds to "tavla" or "tavla melbi"?)
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> 


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