[lojban-beginners] Re: personal pronouns

[Matt Arnold <mattarn@123.net>]

How about possession?
le terdi cu sipna ni'a leko'a blabi kicne .i gacri le solri gi'e na ko'e rinka nu leko'a cikna
-epkat

lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org wrote:
>On Thu, Mar 03, 2005 at 02:32:43PM -0500, Matt Arnold wrote:
>> Is {do'o} a plural "you" like the Spanish "usted"? 
>
>So I gather.
>
>> Or is it only to be used when some of those it refers to are not
>> among the listener(s)?
>
>Well, see, that depends on how you've bound your listeners.
>
>If I'm talking to bab and raitcel:
>
>doi la .bab. xu do'o klama le zarci fi'o se kansa mi
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>doi la .bab. .e la .raitcel. xu do klama le zarci fi'o se kansa mi
>
>Generally, it is assumed (at least by me) that you are talking to
>one person at a time.
>
>> How do we speak about the third person without including the first
>> or second person? 
>
>Several options:
>
>ti/ta/tu
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>le go'i/go'e/go'a/etc
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>le ninmu/nanmu/remna poi <identifier here>
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>la bab
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>ko'a
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>by (stands for bab, or whatever)
>
>> I know there are no gender-based pronouns such as "he" or "she"
>> but I expected a genderless third-person pronoun and a plural to
>> mean "they." Are such pronouns translated using {ko'a}
>> he/she/it/they? 
>
>That's one way, yes.
>
>> I know that can apply, but doesn't it have to be
>> assigned a referent with {goi}? Is that required? 
>
>Define "required".  If you're talking to a computer, yes, but most
>humans can deal with "OK, the person we're talking about is now
>ko'a, despite this never really having been defined".
>
>doi .bab. la .raitcel. diklo ma .i mi pu kanpe[1] lo nu ko'a klama
>ti
>
>I'd just use 'ry' there myself, though.
>
>> What if we want to leave {ko'a} unspecified except for a gender or
>> number -- how is that expressed?
>
>da
>
>-Robin
>
>[1]: kanpe is a proposed experimental gismu meaning "expect",
>because it's really hard to get there from the current gismu list.
>It's just like pacna except without the connotation of desire.
>
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