[lojban-beginners] Re: z and s? Re: Re: first question - Lojban c and j - what's the difference?

[Adam Ehlers Nyholm Thomsen <adament@gmail.com>]

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I don't know much about this either and can have quite a hard time too
grasping the sounds when reading, so to direct to my earlier question
wouldn't it be easier, if possible to release a kind of sound addendum
to "Lojban for Beginners", like a big zip with ogg or spx files of
each Lojban word mentioned in the book. I know this is a big work but
if it could be done, I believe it would be much more easy for
beginners like me to learn the sounds of Lojban.
Cheers,
Adam

lojban@shindra.com wrote:

> Thank you, that was a very good answer. Now the problem turns into
> the fact that I could never tell the difference between z and s :(
> this is where the vocal cords vs. friction should help me, but I
> guess I'm just not good at this :( does anyone have an idea of how
> I might be able to understand this? thanks - Shindra
>
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>
> The "j" sound, ZH, is voiced and the "c" sound, SH, is not. The
> difference is the same as the difference between S and Z. Or
> between F and V. Your vocal cords move with ZH, Z or V but with SH,
> S or F the sound is just the friction of blown air. - epkat
>
>
> lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org wrote:
>
>> In the "Lojban For Beginners" lessons, about consonants, it says
>> that " c: sh, as in SHip j: as in meaSure or French bonJour " but
>> I can't hear/see/think/percieve the difference help, please?
>>
>> - Shindra
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