[lojban-beginners] Re: z and s? Re: Re: first question - Lojban c and j - what's the difference?

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Check out jbojudri at http://members.lycos.co.uk/lojbanlinks/

There are a few lojban words recorded there, and we could perhaps put out a plea for others to record more...

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> From: Adam Ehlers Nyholm Thomsen <adament@gmail.com>
> Date: 2005/03/23 Wed AM 08:50:16 EST
> To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org
> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: z and s? Re: Re: first question - Lojban c
>  and j - what's the difference?
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> I don't know much about this either and can have quite a hard time too
> grasping the sounds when reading, so to direct to my earlier question
> wouldn't it be easier, if possible to release a kind of sound addendum
> to "Lojban for Beginners", like a big zip with ogg or spx files of
> each Lojban word mentioned in the book. I know this is a big work but
> if it could be done, I believe it would be much more easy for
> beginners like me to learn the sounds of Lojban.
> Cheers,
> Adam
> 
> lojban@shindra.com wrote:
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> > Thank you, that was a very good answer. Now the problem turns into
> > the fact that I could never tell the difference between z and s :(
> > this is where the vocal cords vs. friction should help me, but I
> > guess I'm just not good at this :( does anyone have an idea of how
> > I might be able to understand this? thanks - Shindra
> >
> > = = = Original message = = =
> >
> > The "j" sound, ZH, is voiced and the "c" sound, SH, is not. The
> > difference is the same as the difference between S and Z. Or
> > between F and V. Your vocal cords move with ZH, Z or V but with SH,
> > S or F the sound is just the friction of blown air. - epkat
> >
> >
> > lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org wrote:
> >
> >> In the "Lojban For Beginners" lessons, about consonants, it says
> >> that " c: sh, as in SHip j: as in meaSure or French bonJour " but
> >> I can't hear/see/think/percieve the difference help, please?
> >>
> >> - Shindra
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