[lojban-beginners] Re: A question about se

[Zachary <vyseofarcadia17@gmail.com>]

Hmm... I think I get it. It's like {le nabmi mlatu} would be "the problem cat" but {le mlatu se nabmi} would be "the problem encountered by the cat" and {le mlatu nabmi} would be "the cat that is a problem" and {le nabmi se mlatu} would be "the cat of a problematic breed". Or am a still missing something?

mi'e ZAkyris.

On Aug 26, 2005, at 12:32 PM, Newton, Philip wrote:

la .Zakyris. cu cusku di'e

In that case, couldn't you say {le fanva barda} instead of {le barda  

se fanva}? Or am I missing something here?

Yes -- {se} swaps place structures, not tanru components.

{le fanva barda} would be something like "The translating big thing" while

{le barda se fanva} would be something like "The big translated text".

Remember also that (unless I'm mistaken) a tanru has the place structure of

its last component, so a {fanva barda} is a kind of {barda} but a {barda se

fanva} is a kind of {se fanva}.

mu'o mi'e .filip.