[lojban-beginners] Re: The big lujvo hunt: Revolution.

[Einar Faanes <einar@bommelibom.com>]

Robert LeChevalier skrev:
> Einar Faanes wrote:
>> I'm continuing my quest to construct new lujvo. This time I tried
>> "revolution" (fundamental/big change in government). It suprised me that
>> it hadn't already been created.
> 
> The reason why such English words aren't quickly created in Lojban is
> that they mean a multitude of things to different people.  The
> difference between a fundamental change in government and a big change
> in government alone would constitute a big difference in concept.  There
> is also the question of violence (one could argue that the 1992 collapse
> of the Soviet Union was a fundamental change in government, but is not
> generally labeled a "revolution".  And maybe there is some other factor
> as well:  the installations of new governments of Germany both in 1933
> and in 1945-6 were not labeled "revolutions". On the other hand, the
> peaceful changeover in Czechoslavia in 1989 was called the "Velvet
> Revolution".
> 
> Then there are other meanings of "revolution" which are tied to the same
> concept.  The "Industrial Revolution" involved no change of government
> at all.  Merriam-Webster.com gives the following for the relevant
> definition.
[...]
> If you want a word for a fundamental change in government, fine.  Do so,
> and define it that way, perhaps listing "revolution" as a synonym.  But
> if the word is added to jbovlaste as a word for "revolution", it would
> be wise to add words for some of these other concepts of what a
> "revolution" is, so that people don't mindlessly encode the English word
> with "the" Lojban word for revolution.
[...]
> lojbab

I'm studying political science and is well known to the discussions in
the field about the definition the concept of revolution, which you've
sketched out here. It is sad to see myself slipping into this kind of trap.

Let me try to clarify. I'm writing a short article about Karl Marx in
lojban, since both political philosophy and socioeconomics is fields I
have great interest in. I have now placed the groundwork (born when?
died when? married to whom? father to whom? knew whom? wrote what books?
etc.) and wants to have ready the words and concepts I'm going to use
through the article before I continue. As a young lojbanist
lujvo-forming isn't something I'm familiar with.

In this particular context two uses of the word "revolution" is central,
The Industrial Revolution and the overthrow of goverment and the
replacement of it by a new one. For the latter the concept of the
clashes of classes is central to Marx. I think the change of system of
production of goods are, if not required, very central to call something
a revolution. He definetly did not require such a event to be violent.
He had a view of history as a movement through periods where each period
where defined by 1) a certain way of organizing society and the
production of goods and 2) the conflict of economic interest between two
mayor classes.

I don't think one can form a lujvo for that whole concept (it definely
would be to complicated), but a lujvo which is suited for such a use.
Thanks for the suggestions I've gotten so far. I'm looking at them right
now. I don't think I made this easier for any of you, but I hope I made
it easier for you to help me.

.einar.