[lojban-beginners] Re: FW: quantified number sumti, fences, and meshes

["Turniansky, Michael" <MICHAEL.A.TURNIANSKY@saic.com>]

Pierre wrote:
>On Thursday 18 January 2007 10:00, Turniansky, Michael wrote:
>> But I can't figure out how to say "the 2 2's" For example, saying
(and
>> this may be malglico, in which case I apologize in advance) "The 3
>> sticks measured-in-meters were 2 2's, and a 3" (And yes, I know you
CAN
>> circumlocute this in various ways, but I was talking more directly.)
>> I've tried li re boi re, but that doesn't parse.  Is there a way to
do
>> it?

> {le ci grana cu mitre re li re jo'u li ci}. jbofi'e requires {lo'o}
before 
> {jo'u}, for the same reason as {ku joi}.

But this misses my point (which may mean my sentence was a bad example).
I know that "re li re" is fine, but it means "2 _of the_ 2's".  I want
to assert that 2 2s are all the 2s there are (equivalent to "le re
verba").  Obviously, I can't say "li re re", because that would mean the
22.

>> B) bitmu means fence or wall, but is there a way to unambiguously
state
>> which is meant?  They're pretty different things.   In my story, I
went
>> with mudbi'u in an effort to try to hint I meant a fence, but walls
can
>> be made out of wood, too.  This also leads to my third question:

> Would you consider a solid vertical flat structure that does not
adjoin a 
> roof, but is out in a field, to be a wall or a fence?

Point well taken.  I guess for me (cultural dependency?) the difference
in connotation is that a fence has a higher porosity  than a wall
(although there is such a thing as a stone fence).  Fences generally let
in light, water, etc. whereas walls generally don't.

>> C) Is there a brivla meaning something akin to "x1 is a
>> mesh/network/2-dimensional linkage connecting a set x2"?  It might
have
>> come in handier in B than mudri

> I've thought of {gredile} for grid or lattice, but I don't think
that's
> what you want; besides, it's not selrafsi.

Gredile?  A fu'ivla?  That it doesn't have a rafsi doesn't bother me,
and actually, yeah, it would seem to be what I want