[lojban-beginners] Re: Connectives within abstractions

["Turniansky, Michael" <MICHAEL.A.TURNIANSKY@saic.com>]

  I misspoke, sorry.  "mi djica lenu dzukla kei janai klama"  means "I
want the (event of walking if goer )" Or, to put it another way "I would
like  walking if I want the goer". (=mi djica le nu dzukla .ijanai mi
djica le klama) since the kei closes out the nu, but not the le)


"mi dzukla djica janai klama" => "I walk-go-type-of-want  if I
walk-going-type-of-go"  But I haven't a clue what a walk-desire might
be, (although it might be a desire to walk, I suppose.  In case this
statement says if you are walking, then you want to walk).


"mi djica be lenu dzukla kei janai klama"  would be exactly the same
meaning as without the "be" because the janai is still within the scope
of the "nu".  But if I had used "ku" instead of "kei", then "mi djica be
lenu dzukla ku janai klama" would mean "I want-the-event-of-walking if I
go", while "mi djica lenu dzukla ku janai klama"  would be ungrammatical
because janai ould be trying to link a sumti to a selbri, which is a
no-no.

 

              --gejyspa
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Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Connectives within abstractions

On 12/03/07, Turniansky, Michael <MICHAEL.A.TURNIANSKY@saic.com> wrote:

> "mi djica lenu dzukla janai klama"= "I like the event of (If I go,
then
> I walk)"  Which is what you want.  (I like walking everywhere)

.ui .e'e ki'e

>  Iff you put in a kei after dzukla, closing off the NU, then the "le
nu
> dzukla" would be the left-hand-side of the "janai", and the "klama"
> would be the right:
> "mi djica lenu dzukla kei janai klama" => "If I go, then I like to
> walk."  Which is subtly different.  It means if you stay put, then we
> don't know if you like walking or not.

I like that even better.  Does it not require a {be} between {djica}
and {le}, though?  Or how about just "mi dzukla djica janai klama"?
Jeks don't affect binding precedence, do they?  So that would be "If I
go, then I walk-desire" .iepei?