[lojban-beginners] Re: Now what?

[Nathaniel Krause <nathanielkrause@yahoo.com>]

In those books, "cmene" is used with two different (but related) senses. cmene^1 means any word that follows "la" or "lai" (and possibly a few other situations). cmene^2 means a certain type of word, one which ends in a consonant followed by a pause. For example, if I say "la cribe" then cribe is a cmene^1, but it is definitely not a cmene^2 (instead it is a brivla).

In order to reduce confusion, many people now say "cmevla" for the meaning of cmene^2. However, older books still use "cmene" exclusively.

mu'o mi'e .sen.

ANDREW PIEKARSKI <totus@rogers.com> wrote:

I understand....I think...trouble is, neither "Lojban
for Beginners" nor the Reference Grammar even mention
cmevla. In what way are cmevla different from cmene?

- Andrew

--- Nathaniel Krause
wrote:

> ANDREW PIEKARSKI wrote: What on
> earth is Dot Side? I can't find the proposal
> anywhere - only some commentaries about it.
>
> - Andrew
>
> The so-called Dot Side opposes the orthodox position
> on the rules for forming and creating a cmevla.
> According to the orthodox view, no cmevla may
> contain the sounds "doi", "la", or "lai", unless
> they are immediately preceded by a consonant. Thus,
> Germany cannot be called {la doitclant.} and the
> Dalai Lama cannot be called {la dalailaman.}
> However, the advantage of the orthodox position is
> that there is no need to place a pause (dot) in
> between the words {doi}, {la}, or {lai} and a
> cmevla. For instance, in the phrase {.i la lojban.
> mo}, there is no pause inbetween {la} and {lojban.}
>
> The so-called Dot Side proposes the opposite rule,
> that the sounds "doi", "la", or "lai" should be
> allowed in cmevla, but every cmevla must always be
> preceded by a dot. Thus one could say {.i la
> .lojban. mo} or {.i la .doitclant. mo} or {.i la
> .dalailaman. mo}.
>
> Please note that, when a cmevla follows any word
> besides {doi}, {la}, or {lai}, both sides agree that
> there must be a pause before the cmevla. For
> instance, everyone agrees that {be'e .andruv.} and
> {mi'e .djan.} are correct.
>
> mu'o mi'e .sen.
>
>
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