[lojban-beginners] Re: Vocabulary

[ANDREW PIEKARSKI <totus@rogers.com>]

I guess that clears up my questions on cmevla and lujvo - at least for the moment.  Thanks for your patience, everyone.

fe'o mi'e .andrus.

----- Original Message ----
From: Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org>
To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 2:14:20 AM
Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Vocabulary


On Sun, Apr 15, 2007 at 03:08:15PM -0700, ANDREW PIEKARSKI wrote:
> So, following three responses, this is my understanding of how
> cmevla and lujvo enter the langauge:
> 
> CMEVLA
> 
> 1) Anyone can create these, but these must follow the morphology
> rules for cmene stated in Chapter 4 of the Reference Grammar
> (please note, though, the word "cmevla" does not appear there).

"cmene valsi" isn't exactly complicated.

[snip]
> 3) In any case, they do not enter a cmevla list or dictionary i.e.
> lojbanists need to remember them, note them down individually or
> whatever.

Important ones certainly could be put into jbovlaste; it has the
facility for it.  But in general, cmene are useless outside of
context.  Why should I tell you that John's name is .djan. if you
haven't met him?  For that matter, if you don't know who he is,
*how* would I convey to you the association between the person and
the name.

> LUJVO

[snip]
> 2) Robin decides who gets a Jbovlaste account.  Anybody with an
> account can vote.

Robin often solicits others' opinions, for the record.

> 3) Once a new lujvo is approved by the voting process, it becomes
> official - which means (if I understand Pierre) that it enters the
> official baselined lists in gimste, mao'ste and CLL.

Good lord no!

For one thing, gimste == gismu liste, and hence doesn't have lujvo.
ma'oste == cmavo list, and hence doesn't have lujvo, and the CLL has
no lujvo lists that I'm aware of.

There is nothing official about jbovlaste yet; some day, it may (or
may not) be used to make a dictionary, but if it is, it will be
edited in various ways I'm sure.  Until then, it's just a community
project.

> First of all, please confirm my understanding is correct.
> 
> The inevitable questions are:
>
> 1) Robin, how do you decide who gets an account?  I assume that I
> would not as I am only a beginning beginner.

Demonstrated ability to form complete (that is, fully defined) lujvo
that aren't obviously broken.  A decent understanding of the
language as a whole is a plus.

> 2) How many votes must be received before the lujvo becomes
> official?

Please stop using the word "official" here; it doesn't pertain.  The
number of jbovlaste votes required before the word shows up in the
jbovlaste search engine or in a for-printing dictionary dump is
"more than all the other definitions for the same word", which
almost always means that 1 vote is sufficient.

> 3)The lists referred to above seem to be for gismu and cmavo - so
> where are the official lujvo?

There aren't any.

> 4) Where do I find the CLL list?  I thought the CLL is the same as
> the online Reference Grammar, and there is no word list there.

It is, and there isn't.  I have no idea where you got the idea that
the CLL has word lists.

-Robin