[lojban-beginners] Re: la melpelkre .e le ci cribe

["Turniansky, Michael [UNK]" <MICHAEL.A.TURNIANSKY@saic.com>]

xorxes:

> 
> On 6/1/07, Turniansky, Michael [UNK] <MICHAEL.A.TURNIANSKY@saic.com>
> wrote:
> > > On 01/06/07, Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >  How can
> > > > they tell that someone has been actually _sleeping_ on their bed?
> >
> >  doi xorxes .i do na cribe
> 
> bu'u la .internet. no da djuno lo du'u mi .y su ko tolmorji zo'o
> 
> > .i do djuno fi la'ede'u ma .i zo'o cumki fa le nu loi cribe cu djuno fi
> > loi nu da pu sipna sedi'o de
> 
> ku'i le cribe va'o lo nu jinvi la'e di'u cu srera .i le nixli ba'e na
> sipna
> bu'u le jdari ja ranti ckana

 .ie .i  le cribe pu srera .i mi noroi cusku le sedu'u loi cribe cu prije

(btw, is there a word for smart/intelligent?  I can't seem to find one, nor one for dumb/stupid for that matter.  "prije" doesn't really seem to have the connotations that I want...)


> 
> 
> > > There doesn't seem to be any specific locus on the bed
> > > that is relevant here.
> >
> >  Which is why I used sedi'o, not di'o.  The bed is the specific locus.
> > The tedi'o is the room.
> 
> I've always been very uncomfortable with {di'o} and now I think I see
> why. {diklo} is a relationship between locations: a precise locus x1 on
> something else x2, some other location. There is no place for anything
> that is located or happens in either of those locations. That's why I
> can't relate the event of sleeping to anything tagged by {diklo}.
> {se di'o le ckana} tells me that the bed is a location with some specific
> (unmentioned) locus and within some range (the room, you say), and
> what does that have to do with someone sleeping?

   I interpret "x1 is local to x2;x1 is confined to locus x2 within range x3" to mean that x1 is an object or event that happens/exists only at a specific location.  "That rash (x1) is on the arm (x2) (of my body (x3))", "The wedding (x1)was in the social hall (x2) (of the church (x3))", "The evacuation (x1) was only of Baltimore (x2)"  "The event of Goldilocks  sleeping (x1) was on the bed (x2)"  Hence, di'o would be used to describe whatever the object or event that is localized to the bridi, a much slipperier (and less useful) concept. Perhaps something like:  mi'o ba ganzu tu'a le kumfa di'o le bliku (you and I will organize the room, specifically the blocks therein).


                --gejyspa