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[lojban-beginners] Re: la



On 6/18/07, Klaus Schmirler <KSchmir@online.de> wrote:
m.kornig@sondal.net schrieb:

> Why can't Lojban just identify people with
> their names (as all other languages seem to do)?
> {la} seems to be an unnecessary complication. Why
> can't we just say {pat. melbi .i klaus. prami pat.}?

I ben der Klaus unn schwätz Schwäbisch. <-> I heuß Klaus.

At least some German dialects and Portuguese like an article when
referring to a person by name. What's worse, the languages that don't
often don't offer a vocative case either to sidtinguish between
mentioning and adressing a person.

So the Lojbanic practice is not that uncommon.

Catalan sometimes uses an article for personal names non-vocatively. Latin and Ancient Greek have distinct vocative forms.

I'm pretty sure that without the gadri {la} the language breaks. E.g.
{ * .i klaus. pat. prami }.
We wouldn't know whether { * klaus. pat. } was one name or two; in other words, this could be interpreted as (in proper Lojban)
{ .i la klaus. la pat. prami } (Klaus loves Pat) or
{ .i la klaus. pat. prami } (Klaus Pat loves [someone])

mu'o mi'e komfo,amonan