Jorge Llambías wrote:
On 8/10/07, Robert LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote:At this point someone needs to point out the extensive examples in CLL of tanru that are NOT "broda brode"="broda type of brode"If there are any, they are presumably errors, since the place structure of {broda brode} has to be the place structure of {brode}, doesn't it? mu'o mi'e xorxes
It is, but they aren't. I am referring to chapter 5 sections 14 and 15. 1. There are other kinds of modification besides "type of"2. The place structure may be the same, but arguably the semantics may be different.
Two examples from the book: kosta degji - coat-finger -> sleeve of a coat and any use of degji to metaphorically indicate a peninsula.It is a finger only as a metaphorical stretch. You may be able to fill in a meaningful place for each of the places of degji, but it is a strain to use this as a tanru. If you make it a lujvo, you can drop the superfluous mention of the shoulder as the place that the sleeve projects from, since it is implicit to the nature of a coat.
cifnu-degji - baby fingerThis is a kind of finger. But it has nothing to do with babies. It is using a metaphorical aspect of a baby as the meaning modifier.
lojbab