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Re: [lojban-beginners] smart.fm conflicts: gasnu and rinka

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Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] smart.fm conflicts: gasnu and rinka
From: Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org>
Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 17:00:09 -0700
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Oh, not, it's *there*.  And I can click "action -> Edit".  Then
nothing happens except the screen goes grey.

-Robin

On Fri, Apr 09, 2010 at 03:25:38PM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote:
> Hmm. Maybe it's spelled worng? Or isn't in the list anymore (accidentally
> deleted)?
> 
> On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Robin Lee Powell <
> rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
> 
> > Yeah, but "lo se gasnu" still won't work for me.  Everything else
> > seems to.
> >
> > -Robin
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 09, 2010 at 03:09:28PM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote:
> > > On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 2:40 PM, Robin Lee Powell <
> > > rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Sorry I didn't get in on this; been busy with other stuff, as I'm
> > > > sure you've noticed.
> > > >
> > > > I changed "lo gasnu" to "a causer", because the important thing
> > > > about gasnu is that it's agentive.  I'd like to make "lo se gasnu"
> > > > into "something caused by an agent", but the edit screen won't come
> > > > up for that.
> > > >
> > > > Sure is nice to have the search; too bad it's such a giant hog; I
> > > > can only make it work reliably in FF.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Agreed. It very nearly kills my processor. I was able to pull up all four
> > of
> > > the rinka items by just putting "rinka" in the search text- maybe that'll
> > > help?
> > >
> > > >
> > > > -Robin
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Apr 09, 2010 at 12:06:35PM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote:
> > > > > I was finally able to fix this. Took forever and three days, but it's
> > > > good
> > > > > now. I used your suggestion for {lo te rinka}, by the way.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 12:03 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hey Robin, has this problem been fixed, or are you having the same
> > > > problems
> > > > > > loading the edit page I am?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 10:58 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com
> > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> I've got no problems with that. The only "pattern" on Smart.fm is
> > that
> > > > > >> every entry contains the gismu's keyword. So {lo se klama}, for
> > > > example, is
> > > > > >> "a destination gone to", as opposed to merely "a destination".
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 8:15 PM, MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com
> > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>> Perhaps "an effect caused" (lo se rinka) matches some general
> > pattern
> > > > on
> > > > > >>> smart.fm, but it seems it would be more normal as "a caused
> > effect".
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> stevo
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>   On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Jonathan Jones <
> > eyeonus@gmail.com
> > > > >wrote:
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>>   Okay, so I'm completely unable to make the changes myself. I
> > just
> > > > > >>>> spent 1:20 waiting for Smart.fm to load, and it never got past
> > 61%.
> > > > However,
> > > > > >>>> after looking at the full definitions of gunka and rinka as they
> > are
> > > > in the
> > > > > >>>> gismu list, this is my decision regarding the duplication:
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> Gunka to be left as is.
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> Rinka:
> > > > > >>>> rinka -         x1 causes effect x2 under conditions x3
> > > > > >>>> lo rinka -     an effect's cause
> > > > > >>>> lo se rinka - an effect caused
> > > > > >>>> lo te rinka -  a condition of an effect
> > > > > >>>> Unless anyone has a better idea, someone (,this probably means
> > > > Robin,)
> > > > > >>>> will make the above change at some point in the hopefully
> > > > not-too-distant
> > > > > >>>> future. Would that I could do it, this would already have
> > happened.
> > > > > >>>>     On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 8:41 AM, Jonathan Jones <
> > > > eyeonus@gmail.com>wrote:
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>> Good job finding that duplication. I'll take a look.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> On 4/1/10, Timo Paulssen <timonator@perpetuum-immobile.de>
> > wrote:
> > > > > >>>>> > Heya,
> > > > > >>>>> >
> > > > > >>>>> > I didn't feel like I should just go ahead and edit items by
> > > > myself,
> > > > > >>>>> so I
> > > > > >>>>> > decided to ask first.
> > > > > >>>>> > lo rinka - a cause
> > > > > >>>>> > lo gasnu - a cause
> > > > > >>>>> > lo se rinka - something caused
> > > > > >>>>> > lo se gasnu - something caused
> > > > > >>>>> >
> > > > > >>>>> > i'd say lo gasnu should become "a causer" (not an agent, that
> > > > would
> > > > > >>>>> be
> > > > > >>>>> > lo zukte) and lo se gasnu could become "something brought
> > about"
> > > > (as
> > > > > >>>>> > vensa suggested).
> > > > > >>>>> >
> > > > > >>>>> > Thoughts?
> > > > > >>>>> > mu'o mi'e timos
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They say:  "The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons."
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