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Re: [lojban-beginners] sei vs to



oops, sorry, I wanted my example to go: {la djan cu citka lo plise to mi ji'a nelci py}.  In my first example {sei} would feel perfectly natural while not so much in the revised example.

On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 1:30 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
Also, I don't know if they're defined this way precisely, but when I see {sei} I usually get the connotation that it's more closely related to the text at hand.  While to ... toi feels much more like it could be about anything, e.g. {la djan cu citka le plise to mi ji'a nelci toi} while this feels like it would be inappropriate for {sei}.

That could just be a distinction from usage though and have nothing to do with the actual grammar of either.


On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 1:25 PM, tijlan <jbotijlan@gmail.com> wrote:
On 11 May 2010 16:57, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
That brings up a question for me.  In that sentence that you gave tijlan, what about the text tells us that the {fi lo cukta...} applies to the {prali} and not to the {pensi}?  Does {sei} take a bridi, a selbri, or something else?  What terminates a {sei} or is the idea of terminating {sei} as absurd as terminating {zo}?  I've perused the CLL but {sei} isn't documented very well there from what I have found.

{sei}'s scope ends right after the end of the last selbri that it contains. So, no sumti or tag following that in-sei selbri becomes part of the sei scope, unless they are attached to it with {be}.

One little advantage of {sei} is that its terminator {se'u} is elidable in more occasions than {to}'s {toi} is:

 ma prali sei la alis pensi [se'u] ti
 ma prali to la alis pensi toi ti

But an easy change in the word order would offset that advantage:

 ma prali ti sei la alis pensi [se'u]
 ma prali ti to la alis pensi [toi]

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