Re: [lojban-beginners] lo do ckiku ma zvati

[Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>]

I think starting out with elidable terminators not elided would probably be confusing to beginners.

{lo gerku cu jersi lo ractu}
(a) dog (begin selbri) chase (a) rabbit

 vs

{lo gerku ku cu jersi lo ractu ku vau}
(a) dog (end sumti) (begin selbri) chase (a) rabbit (end sumti) (end bridi)

Not eliding those terminators makes even the simplest statements seem horribly complicated. I believe that the best way to teach elidable terminators is to teach them in such constructs as they are NOT elidable. To tell someone "This word means this, but is hardly ever used for this reason", likely tells that person "This isn't important, don't bother remembering it". But to say instead, "This new word here, which means this, is required in the sentence for this reason", seems to myself to have more, um, staying power.

2010/7/6 Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>

On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Alan Post <alanpost@sunflowerriver.org> wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 05, 2010 at 05:48:32PM -0700, Robin Lee Powell wrote:
>

>> 4.  What's with all the {cu} and {vau}?  Seems unnecessarily
>> complicated.
>
> On IRC, I was told (I think by xorxes) that it is standard procedure
> to teach newbies all the elidable terminators and only after
> practicing with them begin to practice without them.

Definitely not by me. I don't really have any insights as to what is
best for teaching, but text with elidable terminators not elided
always strikes me as very weird.

> It didn't quite fit my own intuition, but I was trying to adopt the
> best practice we've discovered for teaching Lojban.  I'm happy to
> discuss this.  It may turn out there isn't concensus on which is
> best.

That's probably the case.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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