Re: [lojban] Re: Bach-Peters sentences

[Jorge "Llambías" <jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar>]

--- Pierre Abbat <phma@webjockey.net> wrote:
> On Saturday 11 October 2003 09:16, And Rosta wrote:
> > John, on another list:
> > > Then there are Bach-Peters sentences, like "The pilot that shot at it
> > > hit the MIG that chased him", where looking for the referents of "it"
> > > and "him" sends you in a closed circle....
> >
> > So: How to translate into Lojban? With the same referential loop?
> 
> le vijysazri poi celre'o fi [?] cu darxi le me my.ibugy. poi jersi ra
> Not obvious what "[?]" should be. There is no pronoun that refers to a 
> postcedent sumti, as {ra, ri, ru} refer to an antecedent. {la'edi'e} might 
> work, but {di'e} etc. usually refer to at least a clause, so the pilot shot 
> at the event of the MIG chasing him, which makes no sense.

  le vijysazri poi celre'o fi vo'e 
           cu darxi
    le me MIG poi jersi vo'a

should work, I think. The problem appears if you try to resolve each 
{le} independently. If you resolve the two {le}s together, there 
is no problem. If we turn it into a universal quantification, instead
of a specific, we get:

  ro vijysazri poi celre'o fi vo'e 
           cu darxi
    ro me MIG poi jersi vo'a

which I think must be resolved as:

  ro da poi vijysazri ku'o ro de poi me MIG zo'u
   ganai ge da celre'o fi de gi de jersi da gi da darxi de

mu'o mi'e xorxes


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