Re: [lojban] Re: two concepts I haven't found any helpful translation

[Invent Yourself <xod@thestonecutters.net>]

On Thu, 30 Oct 2003, Jordan DeLong wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 12:04:27PM -0500, Invent Yourself wrote:
> > On Mon, 27 Oct 2003, Robin Lee Powell wrote:
> [...]
> > > > > mutmi'i, IMO, is ass.
> >
> > On the other hand, it occurred to me that software is still software even
> > if it's not being run. Is that true of pruce?  The English gloss is not
> > precise (as to the noun-like or verb-like nature of x1), but the fact that
> > pu'u is in nu is a clue that lopruce is event-like. But an argument in the
> > other direction is that the definition could easily have included that x1
> > is an event, and it doesn't.
> >
> > If a piece of software is never ever executed, what is "process" about it?
>
> Come now xod, you should know the tricks by now:  it's still a {ka'e
> pruce}.
>
> Anyway `samselpla' is by far the best lujvo yet proposed for this.
> `sampruce' is, however, acceptable.


On the basis of your fiat?


> > Either way, it's a metaphor. Strictly, software is nothing but software.
> [...]
>
> It *certainly* is not a metaphor in the way that {mutmi'i} is a
> metaphor, if it is a metaphor at all (which it isn't).


If I am to extract any meaning out of this mixture of confusion and
opinion, I assume you're trying to say that software "is" algorithm, but
it only "acts like" actual usable devices that people design and use for
device-like purposes.



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