Re: [lojban] Re: Lojban for Beginners lesson 12 answers

["Aleksej R. Serdyukov" <deletesoftware@yandex.ru>]

John E Clifford wrote:
>>(St. Petersburg [sanktËpÉtÉrspurg],
>>I guess it is how it sounds in English? Why
>>Moscow is more like in 
>>Russian, then?
>>At least in Moscow pronunciation, it will be:
>>[ËsanktÌpÊetÊerËburk]
> 
> 
> English is (in Lojban transcription -- I can't
> produce or read whatever these marks are) /seint

Ah, yeah...

> should be as close as possible to the native
> name, so, I gather /maskfa/ (with some consonant

/mÉsËkwa/ is better, I think ({masKUAS.} or {mosKUAS.}, or rather
without the stress to make it look better (not sound). Even {myskuas.}).
The "o" is said to be pronounced "a" in schools, because they don't know
  schwa and there is no letter for it, but it is a/o/Ñ/É, or maybe É
(for me, it is more open than schwa, but still not "a").

> which many languages have)?  Is the native name
> of the other place really Saint Petersburg or is
> it Petrograd, which would introduce a whole other
> set of issues?

{la petryGRAT.}, {la pitryGRAT.} ?
But the official name is Sankt Peterburg (ÐÐÐÐÑ ÐÐÑÐÑÐÑÑÐ). People call
it Piter (la piter. would be not bad, but talk about official!).
Petrograd XOR Peterburg is the original name, and the other one of them
is one of the old names like Leningrad.

> And how widely variant are the dialects of the
> two cities (we should follow the local one, I
> suppose)?  

Some sounds are reduced somehow differently, though that may not be
noticed in Lojban transcriptions. I think the "t" in Sankt is unheard
everywhere.
Some things are also called differently, but I'm almost sure that that 
can't be for city names. :)

As for the characters I use, it is IPA in UTF-8. And your software (or
whatever) didn't corrupt them. Is it _you_ that can't read them, or the
software that can't show them? The first can be fixed.




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