Re: cecla fanta flalu

["Mark E. Shoulson" <mark@xxx.xxxx]

>Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 10:53:05 +0300
>From: Robin Turner <robin@Bilkent.EDU.TR>
>Organization: Bilkent University
>
>From: Robin Turner <robin@Bilkent.EDU.TR>
>
>la mark. cusku di'e
>
>> >
>> >vi frili fa lenu terve'u lo cecla .i ku'i pe'i loi prenu pe la turkie
>> ^^^^^^
>> Back at my old job. Cmene alert!
>
>?? {prenu} is a cmene? Presumably the spacing has come out strange;
>{turkie} should have been {turkies} or something like that. 

The spacing was fine... if you look at it in a monospace font. :) Yes,
"turkie" is what I was complaining about; you missed the final consonant so
it isn't a valid cmene (and I really don't think we should be working with
fu'ivla with no category-rafsi at this point). Hmm. Should it have been
{turki,es}? I don't know Turkish.

> I normally use
>a fu'ivla like {gugdrturkie}, {kulnrturkie}. Incidentally, I've Lojbanised
>"Turkey" like this because
>
> - {turki} can't be a fu'ivla because it has CVCCV structure.

Hmm, I thought that in theory you can have fu'ivla that looked like gismu,
but they are for the far future, when even Type 4 fu'ivla are long
accepted. It doesn't matter if I'm wrong; you're still right that you
shouldn't use {turki} as a fu'ivla. But that doesn't mean {gugdrturkie}
can't be.

> - the name of the country is "Türkiye", which by strict Lojbanisation
>would be {TIRki,ie} which is orthographically unhelpful. {turkie} comes
>close enough to some pronunciations, and is easier to recognise for Turks
>and non-Turks alike (reverse the last two letters and you get the German,
>for example).

Reasonable (so it seems that the ending {i,e} does make more sense)... but
don't forget either the classifier rafsi (to make it a Type 3 fu'ivla) or
the final consonant (to make it a cmene)! The world's not ready for Type 4
fu'ivla yet, and you're using {la} here, so a cmene makes sense.

~mark