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Re: New Approach to Attitudinals



In a message dated 6/10/2001 5:46:12 PM Central Daylight Time,
xod@sixgirls.org writes:



I don't see the need for "Presupposing the attached bridi is true" for
those points A and B. The attitudinal that is attached to .i can always
refer to the idea of the sentence, without asserting that the sentence is
true (or false!) Some attitudinals will suggest to a reasonable listener
that the sentence is true, others that it is false. Still, the actual
claim of the sentence is never made.




This is the foundation of the original discussion -- thtat some attitudinals
affect truth value and some do not.  That way of putting it turned out to
mean that some presupposed (in the technical sense: the sentence was atleast
pragmatically defective if the presupposition was not met) that the bridi was
true and, indeed, in practice the whole sentence asserted it, while other did
not presuppose this and were directed toward its becoming true or towards its
truth in some idealized world.  I could not well skip over that, but this was
befoe the new pattern -- which has not yet emerged to the point where Ican
see what it is based one and whether it has any connection with this older
one.




It could be argued that an emotion isn't really felt about a bridi, but
about one part of the bridi; that's the word you attach the attitudinal
to under this new approach. But I won't participate in any such argument



Emotion presumably attaches not to bridi at all but to the situations the
bridi describe. And within that situation they may focus on one aspect rather
than another and thus be expressed by vocable attached to words for that
aspect.  But they may also be unfocused, attaching to the whole situation and
so best expressed attached to the whole bridi.

<This new approach is so beautiful and simple that I think I shall adopt
it, regardless that it violates the Book in some cases.>

I expect that we will all be using attitudinals in ways that violate the book
(indeed, any consistent use will violate some part of chapter 13), but I
can't recommend the system being touted until I understand what it says
better, and I fear that may amount to saying "until I see how it fits into
familiar frameworks," like the one I presented or, some general discussion of
particular cases of emotion or precation or whatever.