| In a message dated 8/24/2001 12:02:09 PM Central Daylight Time,
arosta@uclan.ac.uk writes: while {si'o} belongs with{nu} and {li'i} as concrete real world there isn't enough actual usage to tell much and what little there is is unclear, open to any of the available interpretations. I think the "individual mental event" reading works best in most cases and not too badly in all. <Given its gloss and its membership in NU, there are two sensical interpretations of si'o. One where it belongs with du'u and ka, and one where it belongs with li'i. The intepretations are incompatible; one must go. Your li'i reading can be done with "(nu) -appropriate-cognitive-predicate loi du'u". The du'u/ka reading can be done with du'u/ka and a lorryload of ce'u. I prefer to express the li'i reading using cog-pred loi du'u, and be able to avoid the lorryload of ce'u.> The lorryload of {ce'u} only arise with your (or whosever) convention, the {nu}+ appropriate-cognitive-predicate-{le du'u} assumes that {si'o} is propositional, which does not seem to be guaranteed (or, indeed, even suggested) by the glosses. And is there an appropriate predicate? Your {ka}-{du'u} reading can be done with better conventions about {ka} and {du'u} (and Lord knows there are enough offered for your choice.) <. To put {si'o} in with {ka} is either to #make all thought abstract and impersonal or all semantics concrete and #personal, neither very useful ideas in the long run (monism or solipsism). I don't think so. Why would "(nu) -appropriate-cognitive-predicate loi du'u" do this any more than li'i-like si'o?> If {si'o}, a person's ideas, are {ka}-like then they are functions of some sort, not events at all -- the events being at most function detectors,like observed colors are function detectors for say {ka ce'u xunre} and reality is thus all in the uniform metalanguage. On the other hand, if the proposal is to make {ka} and the like just like {si'o}, personal mental events, theall is reduced to the contents of an individual consciousness, my experiences, say. Since nu-appropriate-cognitive-predicate doesn't do anythinghere, it doesn't solve the issue. |