Re: [jboske] Quantifiers, Existential Import, and all that stuff

["Jorge Llambias" <jjllambias@hotmail.com>]

la pycyn cusku di'e

> Lojban is now on the brink of being able to use the complete set of these
> quantifiers: the + group is {Q (lo) broda cu brode}, the - group is {Q da 
> poi
> broda cu brode}.

There is another way to do it:

A+ ro lo su'o broda cu brode
E+ no lo su'o broda cu brode
I+ su'o lo su'o broda cu brode
O+ me'iro lo su'o broda cu brode = da'asu'o lo su'o broda cu brode

A- ro lo [ro] broda cu brode
E- no lo [ro] broda cu brode
I- su'o lo [ro] broda cu brode
O- me'iro lo [ro] broda cu brode

I can't really believe that {su'o da poi broda} is I-, true
in the absence of broda, but if that works, so should {su'o
lo ro broda}. Same for O-.

More credible O- and I- are:

O- naku ro lo su'o broda cu brode
I- naku no lo su'o broda cu brode

On the other hand, A+ and E+ are not at all controversial
as {ro lo su'o broda} and {no lo su'o broda}.

> Assuming that {ro} and {su'o} behave properly for A+, A-
> and I+ and that {no} works for E+ and E- and that O+ is just {su'o S cu 
> naku
> P}, we need only a new form for O-. {na'e ro} fills the bill, for even if 
> S
> is empty, the value will be different from {ro}.

But {na'e ro} is not a grammatical quantifier.

mu'o mi'e xorxes



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