Re: [lojban] Re: semantic primes can define anything

[John E Clifford <clifford-j@sbcglobal.net>]

While I don't have a complete list of all the
readily available NSM English definitions, all
the one I do have use FEEL in the emotion sense,
not the sensation one: "Feel something good"
refers to an emotion, not Angelina Jolie's left
tit. I would welcome a different kind since part
of my paper is on the fudging that
semantic-prime-ists have to go through to make
their (31, 63, 118, ...) primes work.

--- Alex Joseph Martini <alexjm@umich.edu> wrote:

> On Fri, 24 Mar 2006, Pierre Abbat wrote:
> > On Friday 24 March 2006 10:19, Jorge Llambías
> wrote:
> >> Well, Lojban doesn't seem to have a word for
> FEEL which covers both
> >> sensations and emotions, but then it is not
> a natural language, and
> >> the word could always be introduced as a
> lujvo or fu'ivla. :)
> >
> > I've heard people say "I'm feeling badly"
> when they mean "I'm feeling
> > bad", and I want to ask them if they're
> having problems with cold,
> > heat, pressure, or light touch ;)
> 
> I believe this actually stems from a
> hyper-correction, similar to when
> people say "Jim gave it to Joe and I" when it
> ought to be "Joe and me".
> In all other cases, bad is used with nouns (a
> bad manager) and badly
> with verbs (to paint badly). Except with feel,
> because English loves its
> exceptions. So people get into the habit of
> saying badly rather than
> bad, like (paint badly) rather than (paint
> bad), and extend it just one
> verb too far.
> 
> zo'o Nice thing Lojban doesn't do this.
> 
> > There are probably natural languages which
> use two different words for
> > these, but I don't know which ones offhand.
> >
> > phma
> 
> As I recall, Spanish usually uses {sentir} for
> feelings and {tocar} for
> touching-feeling. Although, I don't think
> {tocar} is the right verb to
> say "it feels rough"; then you might use
> {parecer} 'seems'.
> 
> mu'omi'e .aleks.