Re: [lojban] Re: Usage of lo and le

["Jorge Llambías" <jjllambias@gmail.com>]

On 5/6/06, Maxim Katcharov <maxim.katcharov@gmail.com> wrote:
> "it is THE neighborhood" probably has something to do with "it is the
> ideal form" (though I don't think that Lojban has an ideal form in the
> same way that it has a typical form.)

Sounds right.

Perhaps "this is the one and only neighborhood to live in" (all other
neighborhoods fade from consideration once you've focused on this
one). In that case one could say:

 ti me ba'e ro pa jarbu be te zu'e lo nu xabju
 "This is the ONE (neighborhood to live in)."

> {lo ro cribe cu citka lo ro jbari} - "(all) bears eat berries"

That would also say that all berries get eaten by bears.

> {ro lo cribe cu citka lo ro jbari pe mi} - "(some specific) bears ate
> (some unspecific of) my berries"

That says that each bear eats all my berries, which can't really be
the case unless there's only one bear.

> {ro lo cribe cu citka ro lo ro jbari pe mi} - "(some specific) bears
> ate (, specifically,) all my berries"

"Each bear eats each of all my berries"

> {ro lo ci cribe cu citka lo ro jbari pe mi} - "three bears ate my
> berries" (all of some specific three)

"Each of three bears eats all my berries."

In all of the above cases, you don't want {ro} as the outer quantifier
because you don't want it to be distributive.

> {ci lo ro cribe cu citka lo ro jbari pe mi} - "three bears ate my
> berries" (some unspecific of all)

This says that of all bears, there are exactly three such that each
of them eats all my berries.

> Two questions before I can give a better explanation:
>
> What is the difference between {ro lo ro cribe} and {ro le ro cribe}
> by your definition?

ro lo ro cribe = each of all bears
ro le ro cribe = each of all the bears (i.e. each of the bears I'm
talking about)

> How would you say "I mean every last bear in the universe", keeping in
> mind that {le pa cribe} would not say anything about the amount of
> bears in the universe?

ro cribe poi zasti bu'u lo munje = each bear that exists in the universe

There's no need for a special gadri to incorporate such a restriction,
since it is not something needed very often.

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