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Re: [lojban] Re: A (rather long) discussion of {all}

On 6/3/06, Maxim Katcharov <maxim.katcharov@gmail.com> wrote:


What /is/ the relationship between the referring expression and the objects?


That would be {sinxa}, "x1 refers to x2":

   lu le tadni li'u cu sinxa le tadni
   The expression {le tadni} refers to the students.


First there's the relationship between the students and the hats.


That one is {dasni}, "x1 wears x2":

  le tadni cu dasni le mapku
  The students wear the hats.


Then, there's the relationship between the students and the building.


That one is {sruri}, "x1 surrounds x2":

  le tadni cu sruri le dinju
  The students surround the building.


I
want to know the relationship between *Alice* and the surroundment of
the building.


That one might be {pagbu}, "x1 is a part of x2":

   la alis cu pagbu lo nu sruri le dinju
   Alice is part of the surrounding of the building.


Mass: Alice is part of the composite entity that surrounds the building


That might be:

   la alis cu pagbu lo gunma dacti poi sruri le dinju
   Alice is part of the composite object that surrounds the building.


So, what is the relationship between Alice and the building?


Probably {mlana}, "x1 is to the side of x2":

  la alis cu mlana le dinju
  Alice is to the side of the building.


Or the
surroundment of the building? (Alice being one of the 26 students that
surround it.)


  la alis me pa le re xa tadni poi sruri le dinju
  Alice is one of the 26 students that surround the building.

mu'o mi'e xorxes