Re: [lojban] Re: A (rather long) discussion of {all}

["Jorge Llambías" <jjllambias@gmail.com>]

On 6/8/06, Maxim Katcharov <maxim.katcharov@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 6/8/06, Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > The building is surrounded by students and professors together. Then:
> >
> >    loi tadni cu sruri le dinju
> >    Students surround the building.
> >
> > is false.
>
> No, true.

Are you sure? Is "Alice surrounds the building" true? Is "Alice and Betty
surround the building" true? Suppose Alice and Betty are the only students
in the group, and the rest of the people surrounding the building are
professors,
is "Students surround the building" true?

> > {gunma} does mean "consists of". But even if you think {gunma} means
> > something else, the predicate that you need to make your expansion
> > of {loi} is one that means "x1 consists of x2", not one that means
> > "x1 has component x2"
>
> Ah. No, I don't need it to make my expansion.

I think you do.

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