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Re: [lojban] Re: Gismu space?
coi .u'inairu'e zoi gy.
Well, I was thinking more along the lines of perhaps "integral" in mathematics.
Most of us who learn lojban are hardcore nerds. Thus, the gismu should start
reflecting that. I don't care about lions, or Christians (although it's quite
fun when they meet). I care about integrals, photons, computers, derivatives,
complex numbers, robots, transhumanism, and that sort of thing. I don't want
cultural neutrality. I want to elevate the lojban/transhumanist culture way
above all others. Eventually, they'll be like the ants that they are, bleating
in their gibberish languages.
Realistically speaking, I think the gismu space is more open than the cmavo
space. As more transhumanists and nerds join in, hopefully we'll change the
gismu. In the past, I had wanted to change cmavo to better reflect hexadecimal.
I wasn't approaching it from the right angle then. The structure of Lojban is an
amazing thing--my donations and strong gratitude reflect that.
.gy.
.iacai
fe'o
Quoting Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu>:
On Friday 27 October 2006 00:22, Ryan Keppel wrote:
> coi ju'o zoi gy. Is gismu space as full as cmavo space? I notice that the
> gismu list is very old. Certainly there have been suggestions about this.
> What is most annoying is that certain very specific gismu, like cinfo
> (lion) exist. By themselves, they are fine. However, the lack of needed
> words in science, math, and technology makes it a shame. Maybe it's the
> transhumanist in me speaking. I would hope that gismu (and cmavo) would
> reflect a move towards science and technology. We should not have idiocy
> like Christianity elevated to gismu. Maybe make is a fu'ivla "irrational
> suiciders" or something. .gy. .u'inai co'o fe'o
I think there should be more gismu for kinds of chemicals and other morphemes
that go into chemical names. Although, say, "alkyne" isn't a commonly used
word, making a complex chemical name out of rafsi fu'ivla, or ordinary
fu'ivla connected with {zei}, makes it thrice as long as it ought to be. I'm
no expert on chemistry, but I know that numbers are used in at least two
different ways in chemical names, which may require another set of number
rafsi besides {pav, rel, cib...}.
Also there ought to be more plant and animal names. Currently the bird gismu
include two Anseriformes, two Galliformes, and none of the largest order of
birds. I think {korvo} would be a good addition, As to plants, there is no
gismu for the most eaten fruit in the world; it should have the gismu
{mango}, as agreed by five of the six languages (the Hindi word is "aam").
And several times when trying to coin a word, I could not find quite the right
gismu. The "round numbers" is the latest.
Pierre
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