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Re: [lojban] Re: Gismu space?



coi .u'inairu'e zoi gy.
Well, I was thinking more along the lines of perhaps "integral" in mathematics.
Most of us who learn lojban are hardcore nerds. Thus, the gismu should start
reflecting that. I don't care about lions, or Christians (although it's quite
fun when they meet). I care about integrals, photons, computers, derivatives,
complex numbers, robots, transhumanism, and that sort of thing. I don't want
cultural neutrality. I want to elevate the lojban/transhumanist culture way
above all others. Eventually, they'll be like the ants that they are, bleating
in their gibberish languages.

Realistically speaking, I think the gismu space is more open than the cmavo
space. As more transhumanists and nerds join in, hopefully we'll change the
gismu. In the past, I had wanted to change cmavo to better reflect hexadecimal.
I wasn't approaching it from the right angle then. The structure of Lojban is an
amazing thing--my donations and strong gratitude reflect that.

.gy.

.iacai

fe'o

Quoting Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu>:

 On Friday 27 October 2006 00:22, Ryan Keppel wrote:
 > coi ju'o zoi gy. Is gismu space as full as cmavo space? I notice that the
 > gismu list is very old. Certainly there have been suggestions about this.
 > What is most annoying is that certain very specific gismu, like cinfo
 > (lion) exist. By themselves, they are fine. However, the lack of needed
 > words in science, math, and technology makes it a shame. Maybe it's the
 > transhumanist in me speaking. I would hope that gismu (and cmavo) would
 > reflect a move towards science and technology. We should not have idiocy
 > like Christianity elevated to gismu. Maybe make is a fu'ivla "irrational
 > suiciders" or something. .gy. .u'inai co'o fe'o

 I think there should be more gismu for kinds of chemicals and other morphemes
 that go into chemical names. Although, say, "alkyne" isn't a commonly used
 word, making a complex chemical name out of rafsi fu'ivla, or ordinary
 fu'ivla connected with {zei}, makes it thrice as long as it ought to be. I'm
 no expert on chemistry, but I know that numbers are used in at least two
 different ways in chemical names, which may require another set of number
 rafsi besides {pav, rel, cib...}.

 Also there ought to be more plant and animal names. Currently the bird gismu
 include two Anseriformes, two Galliformes, and none of the largest order of
 birds. I think {korvo} would be a good addition, As to plants, there is no
 gismu for the most eaten fruit in the world; it should have the gismu
 {mango}, as agreed by five of the six languages (the Hindi word is "aam").

 And several times when trying to coin a word, I could not find quite the right
 gismu. The "round numbers" is the latest.

 Pierre


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