Just saw your lj post. I love the fact that you're writing material.
It's great to see folks using Lojban.
However, the livejournal is rather visible to the public. And so it's
really not the place for your non-standard orthography.
Unless you can give me some real reasons not to, I'm going to convert
it to standard CLL style in about 12 hours. Feel free to respond
personally or to the mailing list. Just have some solid backing this
time, or let it go.
mu'omi'e aleks
John W. Cowan capitalizes the constonants, however he also states that partial buffering is acceptable.The following are Lojban words with stress explicitly shown:
9.6) dikyjvo(In a fully-buffered dialect, the pronunciation would be: [Èdi k« jI vo].) Note that the syllable ``ky'' is not counted in determining stress. The vowel ``y'' is never stressed in a normal Lojban context.
DI,ky,jvo9.7) .armstrong.
.ARM,strong.This is a Lojbanized version of the name ``Armstrong''. The final ``g'' must be explicitly pronounced. With full buffering, the name would be pronounced:
9.8) [È/a rI mI sI tI ro nI gI/]However, there is no need to insert a buffer in every possible place just because it is inserted in one place: partial buffering is also acceptable. In every case, however, the stress remains in the same place: on the first syllable.
The English pronunciation of ``Armstrong'', as spelled in English, is not correct by Lojban standards; the letters ``ng'' in English represent a velar nasal (IPA [N]) which is a single consonant. In Lojban, ``ng'' represents two separate consonants that must both be pronounced; you may not use [N] to pronounce Lojban ``ng'', although [Ng] is acceptable. English speakers are likely to have to pronounce the ending with a buffer, as one of the following:
9.9) [È/arm stron gI/]
or [È/arm stroN gI/]
or even [È/arm stro nIg/]The normal English pronunciation of the name ``Armstrong'' could be Lojbanized as:
9.10) .ARMstron.since Lojban ``n'' is allowed to be pronounced as the velar nasal [N].Here is another example showing the use of ``y'':
9.11) bisydja
BI,sy,dja
BI,syd,jaThis word is a compound word, or lujvo, built from the two affixes ``bis'' and ``dja''. When they are joined, an impermissible consonant pair results: ``sd''. In accordance with the algorithm for making lujvo, explained in Chapter 4, a ``y'' is inserted to separate the impermissible consonant pair; the ``y'' is not counted as a syllable for purposes of stress determination.
9.12) da'udja
da'UD,ja
da'U,djaThese two syllabications sound the same to a Lojban listener --- the association of unbuffered consonants in syllables is of no import in recognizing the word.
9.13) e'u bridi
e'u BRI,di
E'u BRI,di
e'U.BRI,diIn Example 9.13, ``e'u'' is a cmavo and ``bridi'' is a brivla. Either of the first two pronunciations is permitted: no primary stress on either syllable of ``e'u'', or primary stress on the first syllable. The third pronunciation, which places primary stress on the second syllable of the cmavo, requires that --- since the following word is a brivla --- the two words must be separated by a pause. Consider the following two cases:
9.14) le re nobli prenu
le re NObli PREnu
9.15) le re no bliprenu
le re no bliPREnuIf the cmavo ``no'' in Example 9.15 were to be stressed, the phrase would sound exactly like the given pronunciation of Example 9.14, which is unacceptable in Lojban: a single pronunciation cannot represent both.
Compound cmavo are sequences of cmavo attached together to form a single written word. A compound cmavo is always identical in meaning and in grammatical use to the separated sequence of simple cmavo from which it is composed. These words are written in compound form merely to save visual space, and to ease the reader's burden in identifying when the component cmavo are acting together.so I guess Alex Martini, you can definatly add spaces between the brIvla and cmAvo groupings. I find it's easier to see a lOjban vAlsi among English words when parts are capitalized, English is not.