Re: [lojban] Re: "la" in names

[Yanis Batura <ybatura@mail.ru>]

-----Original Message-----
From: Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org>
To: lojban-list@lojban.org
Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 21:19:06 -0800
Subject: [lojban] Re: "la" in names

> 
> On Thu, Nov 09, 2006 at 08:06:37AM +0300, Yanis Batura wrote:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org>
> > To: lojban-list@lojban.org
> > Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 20:50:04 -0800
> > Subject: [lojban] Re: "la" in names

> > > On Thu, Nov 09, 2006 at 07:34:08AM +0300, Yanis Batura wrote:
> > > > I am absolutely sure that a native Lojban speaker will have
> > > > the rule comfortly sitting in his/her brain. I am absolutely
> > > > sure that given a good special training we will all
> > > > internalize this rule.
> > > 
> > > I utterly disagree.  More to the point, there is *no evidence*
> > > for your view, and lots for mine.
> > 
> > I see your point. In the 19th century, people didn't fly on
> > airplanes. Now they do.
> 
> Straw man, and wrong: the existence of birds was evidence.  You have
> none at all.

OK, I agree with you. I have none so far.

> > > > > A rule we can't follow that, in the not-following, breaks
> > > > > audio-visual isomorphism is, to me, a total travesty of one
> > > > > of the most important goals of the language.  Whether
> > > > > someone gets to use the "la" sound in their name or not is
> > > > > totally irrelevant to my concerns.  We're *breaking the
> > > > > language*, and it has to stop.
> > > > 
> > > > Your suggestions? (sorry if I missed something back from 2005
> > > > :)
> > > 
> > > Pauses before all names.
> > > 
> > > http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=The%20Case%20Against%20LA
> > 
> > This suggestion is reasonable, but it has two disadvantages:
> > 
> > 1) {la.} is longer and a bit harder to pronounce than {la} if used
> > with consonant-starting names.
> 
> Boo hoo.

Sorry, I don't understand this. I am not a native American English speaker. What do you mean by this?

> > 2) You'll have to change the language.
> 
> The language as it stands is demonstrably broken; all you have to do
> is turn to page iii of "What Is Lojban?" to see that.

I don't see how a language can be broken by making mistakes in it, be they made by whom you consider an "expert".

mi'e .ianis