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[lojban] Re: is a gismu a selbri?



On Dec 18, 2007 11:36 AM, Cyril Slobin <slobin@ice.ru> wrote:
> On 12/18/07, Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > "gismu" is also not a part of speech in the usual sense. The parts
> > of speech in Lojban would be BRIVLA, CMEVLA, A, BAI, ..., ZOhU.
>
> I have just now discovered that English language has such a confusion.
> Correct me if I am wrong, but... In English we can speak, say, about
> the SVO order. "S" is for "Subject" here, and nobody mistakes "Subject"
> with "Noun", although noun can (and often do) work as subject.
>
> On the other hand, "V" is for "Verb", and we have one word where two
> are need. I am rather illiterate in English, so the following question
> may be stupid: which word relates to "verb" the same way as "subject"
> relates to "noun"? In Russian there are two distinct terms, and people
> are taught to distinguish them when they are about ten years ago.


Should the correct English word be predicate instead of verb? Not to
confuse the word predicate as used in the lojban/logic sense, but I
think the equivalent of subject is predicate and the use of the term
verb there is probably technically incorrect.

I just checked this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predicate_%28grammar%29

and some others. It appears that SVO is indeed messed up (at least in
my opinion). English sentences have 2 fundamental parts only: subject
and predicate. The SVO should be NVO and represent an example instance
of a simple sentence but not as the definition of its structure.

That being said, I'm not an English expert, but quick review seems to
show the above as making sense (to me, at least).


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