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Looking at a dictionary will show that -- generally speaking --
"permission" is merely "formal consent." In essence, "permission"
</pre><tt>is &quot;consent.&quot; Looking an on-line dictionary, I garnered the following 
</tt><tt>examples of &quot;NON-wilful&quot; consent/permission quotations:
</tt><pre style="margin: 0em;">

My poverty, but not my will, consents. --Shak.

And whispering ``I will ne'er consent,'' -- consented. --Byron.

Admittedly, this is a sense of the word that is less customary, but --
viewed logically and rationally -- if you are willing to put any
</pre><tt>price less than the painful death of you and all you hold dear on something, 
</tt><tt>there is a limit at which you will grant permission for that thing. The 
</tt><tt>nasty saying, &quot;If rape is inevitable, you might as well lie back and enjoy 
</tt><tt>it&quot; has truth to it. (Later, you should get a dozen Texans to show him how 
</tt><tt>we make a steer from a bull, but that's not pertinent to the neoligism in 
</tt><tt>question.) If *I* pull your legs apart
</tt><pre style="margin: 0em;">
and chain you that way, you have given no consent. If *you* pull your
legs apart of your own volition, you have given consent (however
reluctantly, unhappily, or under what type of duress).

The key element is not your consent. The key is, did I *compel* you?

</pre><blockquote style="border-left: #5555EE solid 0.2em; margin: 0em; padding-left: 0.85em"><pre style="margin: 0em;">
So the etymology has
a role here, pointing to the notion of willing agreement with the intention
of the act, which is lacking in the forced cases. So what does Lojban have
to offer here? Note: {tugni} is no help.
</pre></blockquote><pre style="margin: 0em;">

I already answered this and invited a rebuttal based on facts. Simply
assume that if it is a &quot;forced case&quot; there is a lack of wilful consent
and refer to it as (bapgletu).

If you still have it, please put either send my other post back to me or
</pre><tt>forward it to the egroup. I forgot that the current set-up for the lojban 
</tt><tt>egroup sends to the poster rather than the egroup.
</tt><pre style="margin: 0em;">

la ken.komyr.
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