Re: PLEA: Chinese names

["Alfred W. Tueting (Tüting)" <Ti@fa-kuan.muc.de>]

--- In lojban@egroups.com, Ivan A Derzhanski <iad@M...> wrote:

> Using /r/ doesn't seem to be a good idea, because syllabic
> (retroflex) /r/ does exist in Mandarin -- _shi_ and _shir_
> are different syllables (and _shi_ is different from _she_,
> although _shir_ and _sher_ sound the same).

Would you please give some examples for the phonem contrast of _shi_
and _shir_  (as I can't imagine!  - it's both: /cr/)?

> (and _shi_ is different from _she_

that's right, but: /cr/ and /cy/

> although _shir_ and _sher_ sound the same)

no - _shir_ doesn't seem to exist (it's  py: shi /cr/); sher is py:
she-er /cy,r/ (/cy/+/yr/)

.aulun.