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Re: [lojban] Re: I like chocolate


la pycyn cusku di'e
You mean in Xorban, of course, not Lojban (I have to throw that in from time 
to time to keep others from developing your bad habits).


Very considerate of you, but {xorban} means "Croatian language"
in..., well in what you call Xorban.


What does "use an intension" mean?  What can you do with them?


I say things like: {mi nelci lo'e cakla}, {ta simsa lo'e sfofa},
{ta pixra lo'e sincrboa}.


{le du'u ce'u
broda} refers to a property (or some properties, of course), using the
expression is a way of talking about that property.


Right. But in those cases I am not talking about properties. I'm
not saying that I like some property, that that is like some
property or a picture of some property.


(but I can't figure out how to say, fairly literally "it has the
property of being broda" in Lojban -- nor Xorban, for that matter).


What's wrong with: {ta ckaci le ka ce'u broda}?


{lo ...} always refers to things in the reference class of {...}, the
extension of {...}.  Whether lo ... (the thing(s), not the expression) is
extensional or not depends upon what sort of things are referred to by {...}. 

I think we're blocked here. For me every set {lo'i broda} has
an extension, and {lo broda} always picks from that extension.


(I do wish you'd use {du'u}
after all the work we went through to get it straightened out)


Only you seem to think that the outcome of that discussion was
that {ka} should not be used. The way I understood it is that
{ka ce'u broda} is equivalent to {du'u ce'u broda}, but {ka} and
{du'u} differ in their defaults: {ka broda} necessarily has at
least one implicit {ce'u} and {du'u broda} necessarily has no
implicit {ce'u}.


A place that requires ... tokens is presumably filled by using {lo ...} --
isn't that what you just said?  Is there a place -- in Lojban -- that
requires being filled by ... types?  I couldn't find any.


I can't think of any place that requires types. I can think of
plenty that accept types.

<<

      ta simlu le ka ce'u sfofa
      That appears to have the property of being a sofa.

      ta simsa lo'e sfofa
      That is like a sofa.

>>

For the same reason, {ta simsa lo'e sfofa} is false (in your
usage, where {lo'e sfofa} refers to the proximate type of sofas --


No, that's not my usage. I would have thought the English gloss
might have shown that. {lo'e sfofa} does not refer to a type
in my usage, that would be taking the type as a token of types, and
I don't do that. I use the type as a type, not to talk about types.


have I got
that right, at least?)


You knew I couldn't possibly mean that.


if {ta} refers to a piece of furniture, but could be
true if {ta} referred to another type or maybe even a property.  But all of
this is still talking about the type.  What is an example (by you) of using
it?


That was meant as an example of using it, not talking about it.


 My best guess is that, so far as
language is concerned, there are no uses of types, etc., only mentions.


Ok. We can agree to disagree about that then.

mu'o mi'e xorxes



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