[lojban] Re: Parasite

[Invent Yourself <xod@thestonecutters.net>]

On Mon, 26 May 2003, Gregory Dyke wrote:

> cu'u la bab
>
> > >"parasite" is _gisaengcung_, "dependent-organic-worm". ({c} is
> > >pronounced /ch/ as in church) Indispensable Unicode:
> > >U+5BC4 U+751F U+87F2.
>
> > >
> > >So, {tcuji'e} means "x1 is parasitic". For "parasitic worm",
> > >use {tcuji'e curnu}.
> >
> > I love it!  Someone add it to jbovlaste, please!!  (And if there is a way
> > to note the Korean connection in jbovlaste, it seems worth doing so).
>
> I find your enthusiasm terrifying. Without any disrespect intended to
> sanxiyn or to the korean who coined _gisaengcung_, this is a poor
> representation of my idea of a parasite. Why limit this this to the organic
> (let alone the living, as the lojban does)?. Also, based upon the underlying
> tanru, I am a parasite, because {mi nitcu lemi rirni}


What do you mean, "underlying tanru"? A lujvo picks only one of the tanru
meanings. Some other tanru meaning, under which you fear you fall, has no
bearing on a lujvo.


> If you argue that the negative connotation (which is what I don't enjoy
> about being called a parasite) shouldn't transfer over to Lojban, then we
> are left with the fact that parasite = nitcu. And I'll not have malnitcu
> defined as parasite + negative connotation, as it already means (to my mind)
> "addicted"


I don't see it in Nora's lujvo list.


> I'd define parasitic as "uni-lateral dependancy", (by which I mean that the
> parasitic organism doesn't give anything back to the host). Someone with
> more motivation than me can work out the lujvo for that... (you can then
> also add a zdani to that if you want symbiotic parasites)
>
> I think the whole idea of finding out how other languages does stuff is
> absolute bullshit. Experienced lojbanists know more about combining their
> own concepts to say what they mean than any other language does about
> combining their own words to creat new ones. Just imagine if we started
> using some of the ridiculous computer terms that some natlangs have come up
> with: "Browser", "butineur" for instance...


I don't know what a "butineur" is, but you're probably referring to
metaphors, which naturally, as a fine upstanding Lojbanist, you regard as
Satanic. Regardless, tcuji'e hardly falls into that picturesque category;
it is about as straightforward a rendering as can be imagined.




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