[lojban] [dkoch@9online.fr: REF: Great interrest (NON URGENT)]

[Robin Lee Powell <lojban-out@lojban.org>]

I don't have a good response to this.  Anyone else want to take a
shot at it?

-Robin

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Subject: REF: Great interrest (NON URGENT)
From: David KOCH <dkoch@9online.fr>
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While I was looking for anaglyph pictures, I found 
http://www.projectrho.com, then you ;)

I was always looking for a more wide language such esperanto, but its 
history was based on nothing. I was looking for a new language that has 
some logic in it. I'm french, and french is *FAR* from being logic.

Once a day, while I was young, I started to create my own language - 
TRINEAN - as well, with its own writing based on a 'cuneiform'-like shape 
in a square cutted in 4 and diagonals ;)

This base shape feature 16 sticks, which can be used in computers in group 
of 16 bits (unicode complient). It was in a way like some Braille writing 
;)

Now each stick/bit was meaning something in the language base, such plural, 
past, conditional, and a special stick is used to show in which direction 
to read the text. This stick was the center right or center left, what was 
a mistake, loosing a stick/bit, and on a line one could be enough.

It allowed to comes to an end of a line, and don't have to waste to came 
back to the start of the newt line without reading, you were at the end of 
the line and immediatly above the start of the following line you have to 
read right-to-left (like chinese people) ;)

The result, once wrote by hand may looks like an asian writing, such 
japanese, don't you think ;)

But the way words were created, or at least written was base os a 
concatenation of common things.

Here a link to explain you how in a computerized way : 
http://www.geocities.com/agkking/cppcode/StrTree.htm

Download and run... You may tell me "Hey, there's nothing about Lobjan", 
and I will reply "RIGHT" ! Ther's something like trinean, were the common 
subject/topic is the head word, and all words coming after are in the same 
match of subject...

Another link : http://www.codeproject.com/string/cppstringguide1.asp

Here again you'll tell me that there is nothing to see with Lobjan, and 
once again I'll answer "Right" ! It's about trinean !

I'm a coder (http://www.codeproject.com/miscctrl/CSkinProgress.asp) as you 
might have seen, and LOGIC is my first goal ;) That's why I tried to 
develop a very logical language, based upon the fewest random-rules 
possible (the prononciation is the MOST random-ruled logic, why HORSE is 
prononced H.O.R.S.E. ) !

For instance, each (or almost) animal specie is not only based in families 
(mamal, equine, horse/zebra/...) and sex (male, female, gelding -?-) must 
mostly on the number of chromosom ! And I first tried to give a name to 
each specie with just a number, which was logicaly based on a known number 
of chorosoms...


But in the same trinean sentence you might have sometimes the same 
keywords, that's way I gave you the previous link, for you to read and 
understand the DBCS !

Same in a subject, for instance hand are tips of the human body, where hoof 
are the tip of the horse body. Just the specie was changing. Now humans 
have 46 chromosoms, horses 64 (how cool) ;) Imagine a way to specify hand : 
46-tip and hoof : 64-tip !

So if the whole converstation, sentence, whatever, was dealing about 
humans, you have have in trinean to start the 
conversation/sentence/whatever with the specie code 46, then the related 
words !

So a girl walking on a man tip (his feet) could have been wrote like this : 
46-female's tip walked on man's (understand 46 and tip) !

A horse walking on his rider feet is written : 64's tip (male or female) 
walked on 46's (undestand male/female and tip)

Further details were not provided (such which tip was concerned), but the 
flexibility of the trinean provided many ways to give more accuracy in a 
sentence without any cost (of ink or spit). You are also able in trinean to 
give full details, such 64-male-tip walked on 46-female-tip !

Get the idea ?

Why I'm telling you about this and especially about trinean ? I lost any 
courage of finishing the draft paper of the complete language which needed 
more vocabulary. On your web page, you are asking for some help. I just 
hope these lost hints for my born-dead language could help you to put even 
more logic in the lojban. And I would be glad to see all my efforts to 
create a logical language not sent to trash :P

I'll now learn lobjan, which seems to be great...

KOCH David aka Kochise



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