RE: FW: [lojban] Book Idea: ko ko ctuca fo la .lojban. bau la .lojban.

["Craig" <ragnarok@pobox.com>]

>>> Inspired by the Esperanto Autodidakte, I think Lojban should have
>>> one too.  This is a book[1] that teaches a language without using
>>> any language but itself to do so.  It starts off as a picture book
>>> with captions.

>I like the idea a great deal.

>>> My current idea is to have the first two pictures introduce la
>>> .alis. and la .bab., and then have them meet each other and so on,
>>> but that's just a sketchy framework.

>Would it not be more "lojbanic" to choose names that were less clearly
>derivatives of common English names?

Yes, it would. I think the standard "example" name should also be la .rod.
rather than using various angloclone names.

I vote for gisms as character names. Or randomly generated things that fit
the phonology, but those might develop some humorous meanings...

>>> If no-one else wants to do this, I'll probably take a crack at it
>>> eventually, but I wanted to throw it out to the community in case
>>> someone else wants to start work.

>I'm certainly interested....

>Barring clip-art or photo-shoot solutions, I'll volunteer to do
>illustrations.

Robin has pointed out to me that a book with photos probably costs more, but
clipart probably won't have all the right people doing the right things. So
I would love to see it done by a Lojbanist illustrator.

>>> I think easily available clip art would suffice for most of our
>>> pictorial needs.
>>
>> In general I love the idea; however, I think most easily-availible
>> clipart
> >will be under copyright.

>Almost certainly, though some has relatively liberal licensing. Some of
>the Dover collections come to mind. Especially if the product isn't for
>sale..... Any lojbanists who also happen to be professional designers
>might have access to stock photo collections with quite open licensing
>(once you've paid hundreds of dollars or more for a collection, you can
>pretty much do what you want with it).

Yes, but acquiring the stuff in the first place is kinda tricky.

>However, clip art might have the problem of continuity. Finding a
>series of pictures with identical individuals doing the right things
>for the story will be hard.....

Of course. We could always get silly and use illustrations like the Risus
RPG.

>> Maybe at the next LogFest we have a photoshoot,
>> using Lojbanists in attendance to play la .alis. and la .bab.?

>Of course, contrary to my early suggestion about "lojbanic" names,
>there's a couple of pretty obvious stand-ins for la .alis. and la .bab.
>at a typical LogFest, isn't there?

Yup.

>>  Better yet,
>> we could have a book of true tales from LogFest, with photos!

>Perhaps that's a separate book, or a later chapter or installment of
>the Autodidakte?

Maybe. Whoever takes charge of this (won't be me, at least not now) gets to
decide, I think.

 -- .kreig.daniyl.

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 -Taliesin

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