Re: [lojban] Re: bakyjba

[Pierre Abbat <phma@webjockey.net>]

On Tuesday 25 November 2003 17:38, John Cowan wrote:
> klaus schmirler scripsit:
> Right you are.  Kronsbeere = Preiselbeere = _Vaccinium oxycoccus_,
> which does grow in North America and is called "cranberry" in English,
> although the N.A. commercial species is _V. macrocarpon_.  But all
> sources agree that "cranberry" < PlattD or Du. _kranbeere_ 'crane-berry'
> (various spellings given).

So is "cranberry" a type-3 fu'ivla?

> Blueberries and blackberries are different.  The blueberry is definitely
> a N.A.-only species (_V. atrococcum), so its German name is probably
> a calque.  Blackberries are genus _Rubus_.  The bil- in bilberry is
> thought to be < ON, but I suspect this is grasping at straws.

The blackberry (which is not a berry but an aggregate of drupelets) is a 
brambleberry, as is the raspberry (another type-3 in English - it has nothing 
to do with rasps, and is apparently derived from a word "raspis"). All 
brambleberries are frambesi in Lojban (the word is from the same origin as 
"bramble"), so again we have some distinctions to figure out. We could say 
{xunre frambesi} and {xekri frambesi}, but there are black raspberries, so 
maybe we have to call them {xekri frambesi be la xunre}.

phma
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