[lojban] Re: Test sentences

["And Rosta" <a.rosta@v21.me.uk>]

xorxes:
> And:
> > "Cicero is Tully" is sensitive to intensional contexts (e.g.
> > as x2 of "believe"). Lojban can capture opaque & transparent
> > readings when brivla are involved, but not when cmene are
> > involved. Cmene are like {le} gadri, and are insensitive
> > to intensional contexts.
> 
> Right, because la and le are always the name/description
> according to the speaker.
> 
> So {la kikeron du la tulius} means "the one I call 'Cicero'
> is also the one I call 'Tully'", but {la djan na krici
> lo du'u la kikeron du la tulius} means "Of the one
> I call both 'Cicero' and 'Tully', John does not believe
> it is self-identical", which is not what we want to say.
> 
> Perhaps we can say: {la djan na krici lo du'u lu'e zo kikeron
> du lu'e zo tulius}, "John does not believe that the referent
> of 'Cicero' is also the referent of 'Tully'", assuming the
> brivla behind {lu'e} is within the scope of John's belief.

Who knows -- it depends on what {lu'e} ends up meaning, &
a load of other conventions yet to be settled. But as I said,
Lojban can definitely capture the relevant distinction by
using brivla ("du zei kikeron", say) instead of cmene.

--And.


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